V8 5.3 project

[bonecrushins10]

xray vision


http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t69/johnclark45/xray.jpg

no not a 5$ mail order trick iv just got done tearing down the front end for

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t69/johnclark45/Picture091.jpg

[Ryan]

Looks like it will fit nicelly in there. :D

[bonecrushins10]

i guess ill stick to one thread start off fresh ,
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t69/johnclark45/Picture097.jpg

as she sits i ordered a set of motor mounts ,
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBTOX%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330219229048&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t69/johnclark45/1f_1.jpg

i see the exact same inventory as mys10v8.com i wonder if i just threw in the money pit of mike :rolleyes: ill ask when they return my email if they have any affiliation if they are ill be sure to give a review on the new changes

im in the current process of notching the cross member and either gonna find some body with a rig or use a 4 inch grinder

the 4.3 lines make it pretty easy to get fuel to the motor there right there with threads ends for un-godly amount of adaptors for your supply to anything ,

i dont see the need unless you have the tiny 2.2 lines ,

main deal breaker is the wireing harness ,

ehhh 150 $ if you do it your self and its a real head ache or there is the 890 + wireing harness you can get from various vendors

[steve]

It looks like you have a solid start there. Are you going to do any detailing of the engine, frame and engine bay?

[Rinkrat456]

Are you going to do any detailing of the engine, frame and engine bay?If the hood is closed and he's hauling ass, there's no need for a shiny engine bay. :D

[bonecrushins10]

prolly degrease and re spary black enamel .

my friend had all chrome and well he spent more time polishing then he did cruiseing did look good tho

and well anything else but chrome is just ricey . i might paint the valve covers red to match but stop at that ,

plus im gonna keep it the lid on whats under the hood around my town dont want the rep or harrasment from the street racers

[davo1028]

Looks like a nice swap you've got goin there. What intake is that on the 5.3, an LS1? Any other plans for engine goodies?

[steve]

There is no need to chrome stuff out but a little paint can go a long way. You don't want to be a rusty greasy engine bay to be staring an on looker in face when you pop the hood. It will take away from all the hard work you put in doing the swap.

[bonecrushins10]

she'll be ten next year so i guess ill slap some paint on the frame and block ,

im not useing the ls1 manifold but it is for sale , im going back to the truck manifold

[vortectoyz]

damn this is exactly what i wanna do to my truck....but ofcourse im gonna have to pay someone to do it for me.....where did u get ur engine did u find it locally or did u buy it online....right now some guy is selling a ls1 engine with tranny pcm and all the accesories for 2200 but i can easily buy it for 2000 i dont know if i should buy it and store it....did u use ur old computer...the engine computer i mean

[steve]

im not useing the ls1 manifold but it is for sale , im going back to the truck manifold

Why are you doing that?

[Rinkrat456]

Why are you doing that?Truck manifold outflows the LS1 manifold all across the rev range and provides for quicker throttle response and better low end torque. Plus, he'd need new accessories, fuel rails and injectors. He has most of that but ran into snags with the injectors.

The only OEM manifold worth bolting onto a truck V8 is an LS6 manifold.

[steve]

Truck manifold outflows the LS1 manifold all across the rev range and provides for quicker throttle response and better low end torque. Plus, he'd need new accessories, fuel rails and injectors. He has most of that but ran into snags with the injectors.

The only OEM manifold worth bolting onto a truck V8 is an LS6 manifold.

Thanks for the info.

[bonecrushins10]

dang you rink ,

no i have everything , but the truck bracket gets in the way off the throttle body ,

and well to run vette brackets ( wouldnt make any sense to run f-body since the alternator sits right where the steering box is ) so the p/s pump sits

hold for pictures if the wedsite lets me steal the pictures ill teach you all you'll need to know about installing a lsx in to any vehicle

[bonecrushins10]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t69/johnclark45/injector-plugs.jpg

ls1 are in the middle , 5.7 ls1 6.0 ls2 7.0 ls6

trucks 4.8 5.7 and 6.0 and cars(3.4 3.8 ) with sfi are in the last

[bonecrushins10]

well hot rod lanes website is down and has some othere pictures i wanna steal ,

im in deep learning on how the vss work with the computer see what kinda signal it sends out ,

[bonecrushins10]

damn this is exactly what i wanna do to my truck....but ofcourse im gonna have to pay someone to do it for me.....where did u get ur engine did u find it locally or did u buy it online....right now some guy is selling a ls1 engine with tranny pcm and all the accesories for 2200 but i can easily buy it for 2000 i dont know if i should buy it and store it....did u use ur old computer...the engine computer i mean


that is a hell of a deal . trade it for a corvette setup tho its gonna be hard with the alternator like that

[bonecrushins10]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t69/johnclark45/page90.jpg

lets see if its come out big enough for you guys to see what im talking about ,

the corvette easy as pie , bob marley no worries ,

the truck might be difficult ,

the f-body forget it

[bonecrushins10]

i got all this stuff from hotrodlane.cc if you like chrome easy way of doing stuff give them a call

[steve]

Your doing a really nice write up so far Bones. Keep up the good work.

[bonecrushins10]

plus for you guys that want a/c they make a pretty nice bracket so you can do so with out frame rail modification call them also ,

othere wise if you want to run ac your gonna be cutting right where there ilder arm is even if you boxed it in, i wouldnt trust it ,

and 6-10 more hours for modding the frame does it run over the 500 $ price range for the remote bracket is up to you guys that want to run a/c

[bonecrushins10]

on futher note iv been kinda lazy and need to clean up the shop , gas mix with oil isnt good when sparks are flying

but one thing i do like about the ls1 manifold is the larger 4 port holes on each injector , the trucks only 2 ! , plus i like how the fuel rail is return less which will mean better fuel pressure

so im kinda pondering if i wanna go ahead invest 300 $ or more to run it up grade to a ls6 later ,

[vortectoyz]

post some more pics up see how the build is going.....i got an estimate from a shop today and it would be coming up to 10,000 but with a jr built tranny, stall, nitrous, cam, and all the good stuff they call it the works. i told him how much it would be to keep everything stock ill mod things up later when i get more cash...

[Rinkrat456]

$10k is quite steep. Cut that in half and you have a reasonable finished price if you DIY.

[vortectoyz]

not much of a mechanic bro and i dont have all that time to look for parts.....im 18 and dont think id be able to handle everything. i can prolly do it with someone watching me and guiding me through it but not myself. my dads a mechanic but he doesnt have time. and i dont think hed want to did it for me since he doesnt want me to do it. but i think if i dont include the nos, bigger stall, jr built tranny, cam, and all that good stuff it would come out to alot cheaper but ill look around more shops to see diff prices...

[bonecrushins10]

nothing like a father son project ,

but thing is that with me is my dad installed a police interceptor motor in his ford fairlane 500 at the time and my grand pa hated it and wouldnt let it go ,

guess what happened to my generation ? same story even from a guy that did the exact same thing :D

a lsx s10 isnt gonna be a done in a weekend kinda thing for anybody even if they have all the tools and experince

[bonecrushins10]

oh ya iv been lazy with the s10 focusing on my summer love of the jetski but as soon as shes running im turning towards the s10 since i needa tow rig with style :D

[Rinkrat456]

Start saving a few bucks, vortectoyz, and meanwhile watch bonecrushins thread for good 2wd/5.3L swap info. Eventually I'll get off my lazy ass and start mine as well.

[bonecrushins10]

my next installment is that you dont have to sell the farm to get your project going , but dont get me wrong it will knickel and dime ya to death all at once or if your takeing a little bit of time like me youll notice youv spent a little pretty penny over that time


first off 5.3 got snatched off ebay at 300 + 30-40 bucks in gas in the sisters ranger to go get it ,

power steering pump offer price on ebay 20 $

starter offer price 18 $

alternator offer price 25 $

combined shipping 22.05

grand total of 85.05 for front stuff ya need

50 $ shipped ( ps any body with a welder and drill press can make these mounts i dk why i paid 50 $ maybe just for convience )


50 + 85 + 300 = 435 $

im going to tackel the wireing myself untill i give up and fork current performance my credit card numbers

still need a tranny tho

more to come a recent fight with my friend and he wants to take his cherry picker out of my shop

the dirty little bastard

[Rinkrat456]

I can vouch 100% for the claim that these V8 swaps nickel and dime ya to death. The actual motor itself is one of the cheapest things I've bought. Sure, I could have this entire project done for under a grand by just taking the motor and placing it into the truck but why? So far I'm up to about $4700 for the parts and machine work. Still have a $750 dollar exhaust system and haven't purchased a single thing for fuel yet. These LSx motors are expensive mothers to build power with simply because of all the technology that goes into the performance parts.

Just whatever you do, invest in a good cooling system!

[vortectoyz]

what i was thinking is to remove my 4.3 and install the v8 engine in my truck and just get someone to do the wiring....maybe that would be alot cheaper.....
i think i can pull off to remove and install the other engine....ill see what happens ill keep ya guys posted for my plans...and do you know if it is a hassle to put my 4.3 into my brothers 4 door 95 blazer it also have the 4.3 but its cpi...and mine is an 01

[bonecrushins10]

:devil: who dared knocked the dust off my thread .

[bonecrushins10]

some body can do your wireing , a company or man called jared at current performance does a nice but not cheap wireing harness

they range from 800 + and tuneing is optional

i also wanted to add that if you wanna use the truck crank pulley with othere brackets you can shim it out 1-2 inchs for them to line up ,

since the trucks stick out the most , the f-body is in the middle and the vette hugs the block ,

im currently pieceing togethor my own wireing harness right now , and with my working on my polaris jetski the v8 s10 project is at a stand still ,

im also brewing up an idea to make the truck brackets work for the ls1 manifold ,

hold for details

[bonecrushins10]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t69/johnclark45/123.jpg

[bonecrushins10]

now if i can even find a belt that would fit this kinda wack job ,

and if needed i would weld a block of steel on the on the out side of the bracket and drill and tap it for the pulley im takeing out of the mix , but im only gonna do that if its needed ,

i wanna run the ls1 manifold since its made for more top end power , big plenuim short runers vs the truck manifold with a small plenuim and almost doubled the runner space ,

hands down the truck's was made for low end torque and power and despite the flow numbers there has yet to be a dyno , tuner or injector upgrade to yeild more power than a ls1 ,

not to mention i wouldnt even think about investing 400 $ dollars for 4 port injectors for the truck manifold ,

but stay tuned im breaking out my soldering iron and thinking cap

im trying to point out that anybody can do this swap and doesnt have to spend big bucks , this is gonna be the projects of all projects for somebody wanting to go fast with a s10 , trying to keep it under the cost of supercharger for a v6


any questions comments or concerns ?

[steve]

Keep the up dates coming Bones. Good luck with the wiring.

[bonecrushins10]

im just hopeing they have a belt in the ball part in looking for

[steve]

im just hopeing they have a belt in the ball part in looking for


You can always get on custome made if for some reason they don't have one.

[bonecrushins10]

god i hate not haveing the edit button , hopefully the belt doesnt squek , if it does im screwed

somebody change my ebay passwords im going broke :D

[bonecrushins10]

i was wondering on this topic today ,

most of the power comes from the head and camshaft any body knows that ,

but im trying to figure out it i get a larger set of ls1 heads and have ls6 springs installed

ls6 springs can handle more of the big cam and are all the rave since you dont want your valves floating around at 6000 rpm shifts ,

that and it would get me a bigger valve i dont have my book with me but i think they are 1/4 inch bigger intake valve ,

the exhuast valve is the same size all the way up to ls6 heads ,

but the only thing that is good to say about the 5.3 heads is that they have small combustion champers which yeilds higher compresion ratio

so im tinkering with an idea of buying a 100 $ set of ls1 heads 50 $ set of ls6 springs , but im not sure on how much machine shops charge to rebuild heads ill do some more calling around ,

but yea ill get some more info later im just waiting on my othere project to be done so i can enjoy the summer and i guess you can say it was the first one to go down during the winter ,

[hatchetryda]

niiiice

[bonecrushins10]

ib bought a junk wireing harness from a dealer on ebay and got screwed cuss i dont even think it cam off a corvette ,

i found only 4 injector plugs on the harness and no othere and we all know 8 injectors come on these engines and diffently a corvette ,

so after complaining i managed to get a 20 $ peice of fuel line ill need for the fuel rail , its comes off the rail and is covered in foam to protect it and flexible staniless material with gm quick disconnects on each end ,

which is gonna be awesome since i wanna use the corvette fuel regulator , close by the engine since im recycleing my 4.3 fuel line do a little minor bending with a brake tool to get it to go where i want and presto

im talking with this guy on a another forum on how the wireing is done , just getting in to it and getting some theroy on the subject i guess its senders and vss to the pcm and then the pcm ( powertrain controll module ) sends serial data to bcm ( body controll module ) "right under the dash under the skin by the cigerette lighter wiring '' and that bcm sends the signal to guages

so dont call me a expert just yet im gonna be neck deep in head pounding confusion im sure of it ,

but next installment hopefully ill have a cherry picker in my shop and have everything mocked up for all to see
:frustrate

[Hicks84s10]

Did you contact the seller about the harness? Man I'd be mad as hell if they said one thing and sent me another.

[steve]

Yeah if I was you would want to choke the seller. What are you going to do about the harness now?

[bonecrushins10]

i bitched up and just wanted the little tiny bit of fuel line extension from the camaro , it was listed as the same price , plus at least i got 4 of the fuel injector plugs out of it and basiclly all the othere i need ill just buy another harness i got one iv been watching for awhile its got the plugs already on it ,

iv made the mistake after looking at it to see if they got me for the 4 missing injector plugs , striped it of the tape and covers before i knew it i had a rolling tumble weed of a harness and no missing leads , and the broken manifold switch would not fit my manifold slot but who cares i got this fuel line out of it

plus it has the line on it also for the evap or vapor line from the gas tank on it which could be run but iv been told not to run it so we will see

either that or i would have spent 70 bucks on adaptors and line for aftermarket replacement for what i have bought ,

i left good feedback even tho ebay wont let the seller leave bad feedback anymore i just said and i qoute good customer service ,

i think if any body reads feedback comments theyll figure it out with out being ugly my experince wasnt pretty but not the bad ,

plus i got 4 injector plugs i guess i can pay it forward or maybe even make and sell a harness for some one ,

but we will cross that bridge when we build it :D

[bonecrushins10]

rink still got that harness ? ill let you know in about 3 days and that even if you still got one ,

[vortectoyz]

any more pics bro....

[Rinkrat456]

rink still got that harness ? ill let you know in about 3 days and that even if you still got one ,
I already texted ya but this is just a reminder and I'll probably be on later tonight around 11ish to talk at you.

I have two harnesses now, perhaps one is going to bone so I still would have 1 left. Just got that 2nd one from another project motor I picked up on Monday for spring break. :devil:

[bonecrushins10]

no more pics becuase not that much work has been done but in time and a new cherry picker youll see

thats awesome rink

[bonecrushins10]

called the machine shop said 45 dollars to install new springs in the heads kinda finished my question before i asked it ,

i said i wanna install new springs , he said are ya going with a big cam or something now iv i can only get in contact with sumbody that can port and polish them

[bonecrushins10]

now if i can only find out how much seals cost maybe new valve retainers and all that good stuff

[Rinkrat456]

i said i wanna install new springs , he said are ya going with a big cam or something now iv i can only get in contact with sumbody that can port and polish themYou find some heads you're interested in, have them shipped to me, I'll have my machine shop port and polish them and I'll ship'm back to you. This guy is A+ quality, I just got my 241's back from a port, polish, mill and valve check with new .550" springs installed.

[bonecrushins10]

how much did your heads to get rebuilt try takeing out the porting and polishing out ,

[bonecrushins10]

ok im getting a little dreamy ,

used ls6 cant remember or wanna trust othere vendors specs on it but it would be a really good cam choice and doesnt really need a stall convertor i wanted to avoid untill i start wanting to push going 12's

ls1 heads , with ls6 springs , possiblely pocket ported and polished

i think if i get a set for 120 $ , 60 $ for a set of springs , 100 $ for a ls6 cam that would give me a extra boost and i might see 340 ish maybe 350 ft lbs of torque .


but im not gonna never gonna get rid of this truck its my first ever real truck and my dad gave it and used before me so its special

[bonecrushins10]

thank god i dont have children , http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&viewitem=&item=280233566642

[bonecrushins10]

204/218 .550/.550 on a 116 lsa < ---------- ls6 specs ,

190/191 int/exh @ 0.05" duration
0.466" / 0.457" int/exh lift
114 LSA < ---------- 5.3 specs

202/210 int/exh @ 0.05" duration
0.496" / 0.496" int/exh lift
116 LSA < ----------------------------- ls1 specs

trying to figure out which way to go or to get a custom grind

[bonecrushins10]

i might wanna add that my heads that i just bought dont flow the best but they are better than what im replaceing ,

the stock 4.8/5.3 come with 1.89 inch valves , the ls1 and every thing else even the z06 heads come with 2.00 inch intake valves

the cam is the choice now , i was just gonna leave it stock but now changeing the heads demands a bigger cam ,

[Rinkrat456]

Personally I'd go with the 2001 LS6 cam. It wont make as much power as the 2002+ LS6 cam but on the other hand you wont get stuck with being forced to buy expensive springs. The 2001 cam is a 207/217, .525/.525 on a 116 LSA. When compared to the 5.3L cam, you're looking at moving the power band up about 1000 RPM's with peak torque around 5000 instead of 4400. The higher lift of .525" on both sides with 1.7:1 rockers will improve torque all across idle-red line, and the 116 lobe separation angle will keep a nice idle and keep peak horsepower high where the 801's will like it...plus it'll be easy to tune.

In Max I'm only going with the XR259 which is a 206/212, .515/.522 112LSA and I'll have a power band of about 750-6000 RPM's. Now that's in a 346 cubic inch motor, and it's less cam than what the 2001 LS6 cam is for. Put my cam in the 5.3L (which many Silverado guys do) and you're looking at a power band of 950-6200. Then just imagine, the LS6 cam is slightly bigger giving you about a 1000-6300 with your 801 heads if you get them worked on.

By the way, the 2001 LS6 cam has been proven to be very friendly with nitrous. :devil:

[Rinkrat456]

Oh and I forgot to add the 2001 LS6 cam only requires .550" lift springs which I've said before only cost $53 bucks through Lingenfelter brand new. Any time you get over .550" lift with 1.7:1 rockers you end up needing top dollar 918's or something well over $200 for the set.

[bonecrushins10]

errr 2001 cams look like they're none of them ill pm my corvette owners on othere forums , i can only find the super .550 lift and then what ever is bigger than .550 .

[bonecrushins10]

http://www.performancetrucks.net/forums/showthread.php?t=357424&highlight=Using+LS6+intake+with+truck+accsessories

a company called speartech normally handles wires i guess supply these brackets im emailing him to see how much they cost but he did email me to let me know they are on back order

these brackets fix the little problem

I guess they have another shop make them iv hurd they go for 80 $ bucks i think i can make my own at my old tech school for less but why loose hair .

i went to go buy a shop crane at harbor frieght only to find out they are sold out of every kind , for 2 weeks :angry2: i almost wanted to buy a demo

[bonecrushins10]

time is running out i gotta kick this project in to overdrive ,

im going to wake up early monday morning and grab one of the few engine hoist's still on sale just beating every body there from the truck ,

iv been searching around along with adding more horsepower i wanna think about how this power is gonna get to the ground , http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t69/johnclark45/replica_z06_motorsport_blackLarge.jpg

10 inch wide tires in the back 9 inch wide tires in the front ,