96 Eclipse vs My 99 2.2L

[Justin_614]

this guy has the neon lights and the lawnmower exhaust and pulls up next to me at the light reving that shit like he is about to cut the grass. So I rev my engine to sound just like it. When the light changes he kicks it so I follow suit. To my suprise I actually caught him but when I went into 3rd he pulled off.. It was fun but damn this truck is slow.

[Mirage]

I would like to share my thought on this BS :mad: I had a 99 Eclipse, very few mods and it would destroy S10's! Wish I had another one :D

[Mirage]

I would like to share my thoughts on this BS :mad: I had a 99 Eclipse, very few mods and it would destroy S10's! Wish I had another one :D

[Mirage]

Whoa, double post :eek:

[Rob]

I'm not quite sure this is BS. I've seen a few low base model eclipses run well into the 18's, so a 2.2L could possibly take one.

[adam]

this relates directly to this post here
http://mys10.net/showthread.php?t=5146

[Mirage]

I don't even know why I replied in this forum, I hate these racing forums and racing fantasies people have! :rolleyes: My Eclipse was quick, non-turbo, but I could care less about racing people, what is there to prove?

[Rob]

I don't even know why I replied in this forum...

Then don't.

[Injected]

I know what it wasn't: anything with a 4G63T under the hood. You raced a good lookin' Neon.

My 1998 GSX in my old garage last year (still got it).

[Rob]

...My 1998 GSX in my old garage last year (still got it).

Nice sleeper.

[Injected]

I would like to share my thought on this BS :mad: I had a 99 Eclipse, very few mods and it would destroy S10's! Wish I had another one :D
I really don't think this story is BS as it is totally plausable. There isn't much of a difference in power/weight and the 420A engine isn't that great. Put that together with a kid who obviously doens't know much about performance (hence the 420A) and you can guess that he cannot drive (I know, we'll never really know). Not so much BS since the non-turbo Eclipses (which again, have the Dodge Neon motor in them) are made for economy just as the 2.2L found in Yung S10's truck.

Careful when throwing the BS flag, this one is totally plausable. If he would have said turbo, then I would be skeptical, not because I'm biased having owned three different turbo awd DSMs, but because any modification on turbocharged cars typically returns three times the power over a naturally aspirated car. Of course it's not how much power you make, but how much you put to the ground and a bad driver can make a great car slow.

[blazinlow89]

^LOL, i cant believe these young kids just got there license and they think there the shit because there neon powered eclipse, has a faster model that looks exaclty the same. My friends girl has a pink eclipse and she kept talking about it and how it was so fast, well the shop that worked on the car was well a bunch if idiots she gets the car back and it doesnt even run properly. Turbo charged the 420a if it was tuned properly im sure it could get into the 13's maybe 12's.

My favorite car was my POS 90 regal, 3800 gen 1 engine and these people would laugh so hard at it. I could keep up with my friends 97 coupe which was capale of a mid 15 sec pass with and intake and a cat back, now she rest in pieces, damn timing chain couldnt handle my driving.

[Injected]

^LOL, i cant believe these young kids just got there license and they think there the shit because there neon powered eclipse, has a faster model that looks exaclty the same. My friends girl has a pink eclipse and she kept talking about it and how it was so fast, well the shop that worked on the car was well a bunch if idiots she gets the car back and it doesnt even run properly. Turbo charged the 420a if it was tuned properly im sure it could get into the 13's maybe 12's.Hp for the most part is just a number. We have a guy with a cobra making about 550 to the wheels, and some guy was bashing him cause his car hit over 700. Well needless to say the one with 700 cant get passed the 11.0 mark in the 1/4, and our guy with 550, runs 10.4's on a constant. While they both have tractioin issues, the guy with 700hp made his car to be a dyno queen he didnt want speed he just wanted to break the 700hp mark. Theres a lot of these idiots that want all power to show that they made the most power.
Dyno queens have a very significant purpose, they just aren't practical to the general populous.

You cannot bash the goals of others, like wanting to be a fast 420A powered Eclipse (Hahn Racecraft), they just want to achieve something. It's equally ridiculous to compare two goals, unless they happen to be the same goal. However, in the case of the Eclipse, if the goal is the more generic "to have a fast Eclipse" one could question the decision to start with a lesser platform. For most people, the goal is simply to be fast using a certain platform that appeals to them (such as S-10s here). We prioritize backwards and say, "I want this car and I want to be fast", instead of saying, "I want to be fast, so I want this car." It's okay that most of us are drawn to a car based on other reasons that have nothing to do with the goal (S-10s have weaknesses that stand in the way of going fast that we have to overcome). If we all just wanted to go fast, we would all be drawn to the best bang/buck ratio-ed car and that would be that, but as I said we are drawn to a car for some other reason and that is why these bow-tie heads here don't drive Camaros, they prefer the S-10 despite it not having the power and traction advantages. Fast is relative. Period. Now that you have a goal (having a fast S-10) where do you start? We'll if you're all about drag, then you can cut out your bed and make room for huge tires, drop in a V-8 and go to the strip. But that is not practical for most people here, who don't want to own a trailer queen and want to enjoy their S-10 (or whatever) on a daily bases. Well wait a minute, now our goal has changed, now we want a "street-legal/practical" car. Well, what's practical for one person may not be close to practical for others. This is where we hit trouble. There are a million variables here, but the end result is still to have a "street-legal/practical" car that we can enjoy. And this is where you find the major division between the people known as car-enthusiasts. There are people who understand what I just said and do not project their goals on other people (and if you just read this, you now have no excuse) and those who, through one kind of ignorance cannot comprehend the fact that different people, who are made up of different variables/backgrounds have completely different priorities when it comes to their specific vehicle. For some, the trouble of having a fast car does not outweigh their desire to merely have a good looking and reliable car. Now, again we have a split that can branch off of either group of enthusiasts we divided up earlier; we must include those who are ignorant. People may or not be totally okay with the idea of different goals for different people, however there are those who either do or do not know how to make their goals come to fruition (or begin to make an effort) and those who live a life of ignorance. This is most likely to do with the experience level of the enthusiast, which is likely positively correlated to their age.

That’s enough for now. If you read this, as I said before you now have no excuse to project your views on others for choosing a different make or model. Their goals may or may not be much different than yours, they just started somewhere else for reasons that you cannot decipher easily. The important question here is: which kind of car enthusiast are you?

[blazinlow89]

Il agree with every word you posted, ive owned alot of different cars and none of them would ever be considered fast. I cant seem to keep my project goals in the right order. Ive been wanting to get some serious work done on my truck, but ive been wanting another import so i bought a 90 accord, and ive been working on that so far i have a h23a in it with some internal mods and im planning on a turbo kit. Not to mention ive been doing some work on my girls cavalier at the same time. but i will give respect to anyone who works on a car, no matter what car and puts there soul into it. The people i wont give respect are the ones who send the car to a shop and give them mass amounts of cash to let them do the work, i know theres some things that the average person cant do on there own and a professional mght be better, but when they do that or dont put any of there time, money, and blood into there own car i cat stand it. But some people would rather buy there car, than create it.

And yes no two people will look at someone elses goal the same way.

[Injected]

The people i wont give respect are the ones who send the car to a shop and give them mass amounts of cash to let them do the work, i know theres some things that the average person cant do on there own and a professional mght be better, but when they do that or dont put any of there time, money, and blood into there own car i cat stand it. But some people would rather buy there car, than create it.You may say this now, but if your like me and have reached a position to where you can have someone else go through the troubles and headaches assosiated with car maintenance and upgrades, then you'll come to realize that letting someone else do the work is okay. I still change my own oil because I don't trust anyone, but timing belt changes are so much of a pain in the ass. If you want a more quantifiable means of justification I would say this: if it would cost you less money to have someone else do it than you make in the same amount of time, then let someone else do it. I'd also rather let someone who works at an exhaust shop wrestle the rusted-on stock system while on a lift (at least until I own my own...maybe one day). Having a shop assemble an engine for you isn't such a bad idea, and if your shop stands behind their work, then it's cheap insurance in case something goes all-catastrophic between your front fenders. But that also means you should have a mechanic/shop you trust, and money to throw away which isn't as much a problem for me than some.

[blazinlow89]

LOL i like the rusted exhaust comment. And the problem is i dont trust many mechanics. Il admit if i cant do it or dont trust my self to do it i will have some one else give me guidance, or just get my uncles mechanic to do it. Im sure as hell not installing my rag top my self im getting that done right.

I was mainly talking about the people that give there vehicle to a shop or several shops and then give them the money to do all the work. If someone wants a show vehicle and have the cahs then go for it, but id rather gain personal experience , take the credit for what ive done, and feel like ive accomplished something. And as maintnence goes theres some things that il admit i dont want to attempt. Yeah timing belts are a pain.