My 2.8 Stroker Project Thread

[steve]

Well, it has been getting warmer out and the semester is getting to an end so I am getting really itchy to start back up on my truck. :) It has been sitting for the last 2 years as I have been redoing the whole drive train. Summer of 05 I replaced the rear end, pulled the trany to have it rebuilt and I started to build the engine. Due to parts delays and money shortages I was not able to complete the engine build that summer and I had to wait to the fallowing summer to start it up again. :( The summer of 06 I finished building the engine and I pulled the old engine and started prepping the engine bay. Now it is summer of 07 and I am almost ready to drop the engine in. :D You guys/gals may be wondering what has taken me so long t do this, but working two jobs, being at the mercy of the weather in New England and having a girl friend do not give one to much time to work on the truck. :frustrateThis project tread will most likely take some time to get to completion, but I need you guy/gals to help me keep my passion strong.

[steve]

Here is a list of what I am working with:

1991 S10 standard cab short bed.
Formally stock 2.8L V6, 5 speed, 3:42 open differential

Here is what has been done so far:


COSMETIC-
Shaved antenna
Shaved emblems
Shaved side body molding
Front smooth chrome front bumper
Clear side marker lights
Clear turn signals
American Racing 15inch AR-23 aluminum rims
Dark blue metallic paint
Auto Meter 3 3/4 inch tachometer
1971 Camaro RS steering wheel
Rhino lined
Custom Bucket seats
New carpets
Street Scene SS sport mirrors
Soft hinged tonneau cover
Stock 110mph-speedometer cluster swap
Stock consul

PERFORMANCE-
Edelbrock headers
Catco free flow cat
Heartthrob duel exhaust with two 3 1/2 inch stainless resonators tips
MSD 6A ignition box
MSD Blaster Coil
MSD Heli-Core wires
Bosch Platinum2 spark plugs
K&N air filter
Custom (home made) Ram Air fully functional air box
Centerforce stage one competition clutch disk and pressure plate
Goodyear Eagle Ultra Grip Tires 215-65-R15
Hurst Short throw shifter
Relocated battery to the bed
Sloted brake rotors
Russell stainless steal brake lines
3.73 Rear End with Richmond Powertrax No-Slip Traction System and a Jegs aluminum differential Support Cover
Monroe Sensa-Trac shocks all around
Lakewood S10 traction bars
Removed the AC
ZQ8 quick ratio steering box

Here is what is going to be done:

Lower 3 inches front and rear (I have the Belltech 2 inch drop spindles and the 3 inch drop leafs)
Electric Flex-a-lite s10 fan (got it, just need to put it in)
Fiero valve covers (Painted black with polished ribs and going on with the new engine)
ASP 25% Crank 23% Alternator underdrive pulleys (installed on new engine)

2.8-3.4 stroker engine (It is all most assemble and will be finished/installed in the Spring):
Performance heads (ported & polished, stainless valves, performance springs, ect)
Performance cam shaft and hydraulic lifters (specs/ adv. duration= 214 intake & 280 exhaust, lift= .420 intake & .443 exhaust)
Comp Cams roller tip rockers (1.52:1) & performance push rods
Double roller timing set
Edelbrock Performer 4 bbl intake
Holley 4bbl to TBI adapter
Holley 400 cfm 2 bbl TBI

[steve]

Here are some pics of where I am at with the engine:

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/enginefullyassembledtopfront.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/valvetrain.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/DSC00073-1.jpghttp://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/DSC00150.jpg

[steve]

Here are some old pics of the truck when it was running and clean:

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Mytrucknotmessedup.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/MYtruckengine.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/MYtruckfront.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/MYtruckrear.jpg

[Rob]

...This project tread will most likely take some time to get to completion, but I need you guy/gals to help me keep my passion strong.

We'll see if it gets as long as mine :D. Keep us updated.

[steve]

Here is the interior minus my Hurst shifter and my rear view mirror that fell off:

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/S10dash.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/s10CDChangerConsole.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/S10interiorseats.jpg

[steve]

We'll see if it gets as long as mine :D. Keep us updated.
Is that a challenge to see who takes the longest to finish a project? HAHAHAH! That sounds like a loose loose situation. That’s like when you bet your GF/Wife that you can go longer with out sex then they can. Even when you win, you loose.

[steve]

Here is te engine bay almost ready for the new engine:

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/s10enginebayfront.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/S10enginebayleft.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/s10enginebayright.jpg

[steve]

Now it won’t be for another few weeks before much head way is made, due to the semester winding down, crunch time and finals. :frustrate I will update it as soon as I get more work done on it.

[97v8s10]

We'll see if it gets as long as mine :D. Keep us updated.
And as long as mine! hehehehe :D

[Rinkrat456]

I've got dibs on the shortest and probably the most drastic project thread. Full rework of the front and rear suspension in 3 weekends. Any takers? :D

[97v8s10]

I've got dibs on the shortest and probably the most drastic project thread. Full rework of the front and rear suspension in 3 weekends. Any takers? :D
Blah....Blah....Blah....Rubs in face....Blah!
Anyway your engine still looks awesome!

[Rob]

Is that a challenge to see who takes the longest to finish a project? HAHAHAH!...

No challenge, just being a smartass.

[bonecrushins10]

i would take em up on it , but what are the stakes ?

you know how hard its gonna be 2 fab brackets convert a 2 wd too a 3 wd , hahaha

[steve]

I've got dibs on the shortest and probably the most drastic project thread. Full rework of the front and rear suspension in 3 weekends. Any takers? :D

That will be impressive... Did you take those 3 weeks off from work? Or do you just not plan on sleeping.;)

[Rinkrat456]

That will be impressive... Did you take those 3 weeks off from work? Or do you just not plan on sleeping.;)
Actually I just got done rounding up 6 of my high school buddies, and we'll get this done in a single weekend. One has an 8" lift on his Dodge, another has a 6.5" lift on his Sierra, two are now certified welders and another is a backyard mechanic like myself. The 6th guy will be there for moral support and be the beer runner/gopher/food getter who takes pics of the whole thing. :D

Anywho, I'll be here in your thread, as you asked for...for moral support.

[Justin_614]

This thread has almost inspired me to almost want to do a 2.2L project lol. When I do rip it out I might play with it, wont sell for much.

[steve]

Actually I just got done rounding up 6 of my high school buddies, and we'll get this done in a single weekend. One has an 8" lift on his Dodge, another has a 6.5" lift on his Sierra, two are now certified welders and another is a backyard mechanic like myself. The 6th guy will be there for moral support and be the beer runner/gopher/food getter who takes pics of the whole thing. :D

Anywho, I'll be here in your thread, as you asked for...for moral support.

I can't wait to see how your truck comes out. I hope it takes as short as you are expecting, because I hate waiting. Becks project is killing me with anticipation (sp).

I wish I had a bunch of gear head budies to help me. The only help I can count on is my Dad's and he does not have to much time on his hands to help. So, I do most of my work alone. I need to grow at least two more arms before the end of my project. :frustrate

[97v8s10]

Yeah... My trucks killing me! Mine seems like it has taken so long due to the fact this is the 4 time I have had the truck completely apart. Each time it takes longer to put back together. :( On the plus side...I know my truck. After I get it going I will know everything about it. Haha... No suprises!


Edit: :eek: Man I hope I didn't jinx myself.

[Eric]

Edit: :eek: Man I hope I didn't jinx myself.
lol, nice



"I need to grow at least two more arms before the end of my project. " i hear u on that one

[BadToad454]

lol, nice



"I need to grow at least two more arms before the end of my project. " i hear u on that one


Ummmmm ok you all can have the 2 more arms , i want the money tree in my back yard....... :devil:

[steve]

Ummmmm ok you all can have the 2 more arms , i want the money tree in my back yard....... :devil:
Well, if you send me the small sum of 100 dollars I will send you seeds that will grow you a money tree that will harvest fortune for you. It is a good deal isn't it? P.M. me I will give you my address where you can send the money.

[crazy91s10]

dammit steve... i just may have to drive up to ct to take this thing for a spin. find some good wheelin spots up there and i'll come up.. i'll let you roll my truck down a cliff and you can let me roast the tires off yours! deal?

[steve]

dammit steve... i just may have to drive up to ct to take this thing for a spin. find some good wheelin spots up there and i'll come up.. i'll let you roll my truck down a cliff and you can let me roast the tires off yours! deal?

You fix those leafs and the front suspension on your rig and it’s a deal. Come on up. We will ride/wheel all day and drink all night and then start again in the morning.

[97v8s10]

So when is the exact date you will be starting to work on the truck? I can't wait to see you get started!

[steve]

So when is the exact date you will be starting to work on the truck? I can't wait to see you get started!

Well next week once I sort out my finals schedule, I am going to pick the first nice free day to replace my leaky water pump on my Blazer. Right now that is taking precedence for obvious reasons. But then the second nice day will be spent sanding me some frame.:D

[97v8s10]

Yeah... Priorities come first.(stupid water pump) lol! :)

[steve]

Well I knocked the water pump for my Blazer off my To-Do List today so if the weather holds out for me tomorrow I will get the frame detailed. But we are scheduled for afternoon thunderstorms so we will see what happens. I hate not have a garage I can work in

[97v8s10]

Well I knocked the water pump for my Blazer off my To-Do List today so if the weather holds out for me tomorrow I will get the frame detailed. But we are scheduled for afternoon thunderstorms so we will see what happens. I hate not have a garage I can work in
I used to know the feeling about not having a garage. When we were looking to buy a house I kept telling my wife no to all the houses with no garage. I wanted one with a concrete floor... lol!

[steve]

I used to know the feeling about not having a garage. When we were looking to buy a house I kept telling my wife no to all the houses with no garage. I wanted one with a concrete floor... lol!

Buy a house for the garage. That is my motto.

[97v8s10]

That was mine hahahaha!

[67Truckin]

I once told my wife I wouldn't move unless she found me a bigger shop. She found a house in the country with a 30x40 building that had concrete, insulation, lights and wiring. :( I had to move. :D

[steve]

I rushed to get my frame painted today before the bad rolls in. We have a tornado watch until 6 pm which will most likely just be a nasty thunderstorm. But the frame is painted and I can move on to dropping the engine in now. I did not clean it up as thoroughly as you did Beck, but it will do for my application.


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/s10framefront.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/s10framedriverside.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/s10framepassengerside.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/s10framefront2.jpg

[steve]

And the NVP for the job is my Makita Grinder. That tool is a gift to humanity from God and I am going to name my first born after it. Simply it is the best tool ever! :D

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/mygrinder.jpg

[97v8s10]

Looks great steve! My frame is nowhere as clean as yours. I still have to pull the motor and tranny out to clean the rest of the frame. Then I have decided to go back to a black frame. Red is getting old and I haven't even driven it yet.

Keep up the good work!

[steve]

Looks great steve! My frame is nowhere as clean as yours. I still have to pull the motor and tranny out to clean the rest of the frame. Then I have decided to go back to a black frame. Red is getting old and I haven't even driven it yet.

Keep up the good work!

Thanks Beck!
Red is getting old and you have not even had it that way for a couple of months now? Yeah you should just go black, I have never heard of anyone getting tried of good old black.

[97v8s10]

I'm just glad I tried it out now and didn't wait to paint it red before assembly. lol! Can't beat good old black. :rolleyes:

[1983BOWTIEBEATER]

damn steve,you out did mine by a landslide:) .gloss black is way better than my flat black
but our motors look similar,great minds think alike

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u90/1983bowtiebeater/TRUCK676.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u90/1983bowtiebeater/TRUCK674.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u90/1983bowtiebeater/TRUCK751.jpg

[steve]

damn steve,you out did mine by a landslide:) .gloss black is way better than my flat black
but our motors look similar,great minds think alike


You can't go wrong with Chevy Orange.

[steve]

The engine is going in on THURSDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[97v8s10]

The engine is going in on THURSDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Woo...Hoo! Can't wait!

[Drifter666]

dude you should get your licence suspended, thats what happend to me, i have a full time job and a girlfriend and im finding plenty of time to work on my truck, mainly cuz i dont have any way to go anywhere :) lol

[steve]

dude you should get your licence suspended, thats what happend to me, i have a full time job and a girlfriend and im finding plenty of time to work on my truck, mainly cuz i dont have any way to go anywhere :) lol


Yeah... Great idea...:rolleyes: HAHAHAHA.

I spend my day today cleaning up the trans cross member, the drive shaft, a few brackets and the Y-Pipe so all the parts will be nice and clean for Thursday.

[97v8s10]

Getting closer!

[steve]

I spend my day today fetching parts, playing the game Where in Hell Do These Bolts Go, and prepping the engine for its trip across the yard to the driveway. It was all really unfulfilling but it had to get done before I can get to the fun stuff tomorrow. I will post pics of the swap on Friday. Tomorrow I will be too busy. Here is a pic of my engine sitting in the wheel barrel. It is the only way to get it from my shed to the drive way. An engine stand would never role over grass.




http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Engineinwheelbarrel.jpg

[97v8s10]

That motor still looks awesome!

[steve]

IT IS IN!!!!!!!! After 2 long years it is IN!!!!! The engine, the clutch, bell housing, trans and drive shaft are all in. Here are some pics.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/engineonthehook2.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/placingengineintruck.jpg

And I took this one for Rink. Who says a 2.8L can not be fast? Look it does wheelies! HAHAHAHAHA :D

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/engineintruckfront.jpg

[steve]

And I am not sure if any of you guys/girls remember that I was trying to loose weight. Here are a couple of pics that really show how far I and my truck have gone. Can you tell I lost 85 lbs?







Here is a pic of me 280+ lbs with the old engine block sitting on the hook. (Excuse the retarded look on my face, that was a long day and a bad camera shot.)



http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Meandtheoldengine.jpg



Here is a pick of me 195+ lbs with the new engine sitting on the hook. (I look a hell of a lot better in this pic, although I am squinting for some reason.)

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/meandtheengine.jpg

[97v8s10]

Congtats! It's in! Must be alot of pressure off your shoulders.
Not to sound like I swing both way but congrats on the weight loss. You look alot more healthy and I bet the chicks dig you now! lol

[steve]

Congtats! It's in! Must be alot of pressure off your shoulders.
Not to sound like I swing both way but congrats on the weight loss. You look alot more healthy and I bet the chicks dig you now! lol

Thanks Beck. Yeah the pressure is certainly off. The rest of the stuff is cake. I can almost taste it being on the road now. And thanks Beck you are a very handsome man too. And I mean that in the heterosexual life mate sort of way way. ;)HAHAHAHAHA!

[97v8s10]

Thanks Beck. Yeah the pressure is certainly off. The rest of the stuff is cake. I can almost taste it being on the road now. And thanks Beck you are a very handsome man too. And I mean that in the heterosexual life mate sort of way way. ;)HAHAHAHAHA!
lol! You haven't seen me... Oh wait you did. My vacation pics right?!
You gonna get some video of it's madin voyage?

[steve]

lol! You haven't seen me... Oh wait you did. My vacation pics right?!
You gonna get some video of it's madin voyage?
Actually it is the pick of you in your truck touching the ground I was referring to. I forgot about you are Rink's play date. ;) And if I can figure out how to get a video I certainly will, just for you.

[97v8s10]

I have a camcorder that records on tape, but I can hook it to my computer with a firewire connection.

[97v8s10]

Do you have a list of what's left to get the truck on the road?

[steve]

Do you have a list of what's left to get the truck on the road?



Hmmmmm... That's a good question. Let me think. Ahhhhhh...

Plumb the cooling system: E-fan, radiator, thermostat and all the hoses
Plumb the oiling system: Mount remote oil filter, oil cooler (still have the buy that) and run the hoses.
Assemble the serpentine belt assembly and all the accessories.
Install the sensors in the manifold, the TBI, coil, and distributor. Then run all the wires, vacuum lines and fuel lines.
Install the shifter, air cleaner, valve covers, yada, yada...

Also I have to install the bumper, grill and miscellaneous trim pieces up front.

I almost forgot, replace the clutch slave cylinder. That is the thing I am stuck on now. I had to order a clutch fluid line from the auto parts store before I can finish that install. How can the parts guys look them selves in the mirror in the morning knowing they are selling a glorified two foot long break line for $40? Highway robbery if you ask me.

Tomorrow I plan on spending the whole day working on my truck. I hope to get the slave cylinder buttoned up, the engine wired and plumbed (except for the radiator/E-fan and remote oil filter/cooler) and assemble the whole serpentine belt assembly.

I will give you an update and hopefully some pics tomorrow night.

[97v8s10]

Can't wait! :D

[steve]

Well I got a lot done today. No where near as much as I wanted too, but I hit some snags. I got the clutch all sorted out. So that is good. I started to do the wiring and that is taking a lot more time than I was expecting. I am trying to get everything looking factory perfect and clean. I had to install a few new plugs and get rid of a few others. It is coming along well. I did come up with some other snags like I have to install one thing before I can install another. I had to install my valve covers because I realized that if I did not do it now I would not be able to get them on later. Here are some pics of where I am at right now. The TBI is just resting on there and so is the air cleaner. I was just testing the clearance. The hood will be tight.


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/EngineFinalAssemblyTop.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/EngineFinalAssemblyfront.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/EngineFinalAssemblyDriverside.jpg

[steve]

I also had a major clearance problem with my throttle cable bracket that had to be taken care of. It was nothing a little cutting and grinding could not fix.


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/BracketModcompare.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/ModifiedBracket.jpg

[97v8s10]

Looking real good steve!

[Dirty_S15]

That is a great looking engine! Now I have to ask, and show my ignorance on some things....what *exactly* is a 2.8 stroker? I am not the brightest guy in the world when it comes to engines, other then a 4.3, and the 350.......

Between you and 97v8s10, i have the urge to start my own little thread, maybe it will kick me in the butt to work on mine....of course I don't think I could touch the quality of either of your work....

[steve]

That is a great looking engine! Now I have to ask, and show my ignorance on some things....what *exactly* is a 2.8 stroker? I am not the brightest guy in the world when it comes to engines, other then a 4.3, and the 350.......

Between you and 97v8s10, i have the urge to start my own little thread, maybe it will kick me in the butt to work on mine....of course I don't think I could touch the quality of either of your work....

First off, you got to give your self more credit. Your body work skills are pretty good. You are doing some good work with that Blazer and you should be proud of it. I would love to see a build up thread on your project. You should really do it.


And now for your question, I like to call it a 2.8 stroker, because I like the way it sounds. The engine in all reality is a 3.4L like one can get in the Camaros. The term stroker refers to when an engine builder uses smaller connecting rods and a different crank to give an engine a larger piston stroke. This in essence gives an engine more displacement without actually boring out the cylinders. A GM 3.4 is just a 2.8 block that is bored over and stroked. So I just think is sounds cooler to call it a stroker 2.8, than to call it a 3.4.:D

[B94350]

Looks real good sittin in there. What is the expected power output? And/or mileage expectations/guesses?

[steve]

Looks real good sittin in there. What is the expected power output? And/or mileage expectations/guesses?


Thanks for the compliment. I am hopping for low 200s for both horsepower and torque. With that power output, a 5 speed, a 3.73 locker rear and a curb weight of about 3000lbs, I am hoping to have a fun ride on my hands. And I could careless about gas mileage. It will only be a weekend cruiser.

[steve]

Well today was my only day off all week so I wanted to get a lot done. To bad Mother Nature had other plans… There was ominous warning all day of terrible thunderstorms to come so I was too afraid to get hot and heavy under the hood if the sky could open up at any time. I did get some stuff done though. I relocated some wiring on my firewall and I mounted my TBI.



It is tough to notice but the electrical junction block and the module (for lack of better terms) had to be moved over a inches a piece so all the wires would be long enough.



http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/FirewallWiring.jpg



This connector has to be extended like 4 inches so it can reach the sensor. This is the kind of stuff I have been coming up against while wiring this engine. It is just so time consuming.



http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/wiretoshort.jpg



Finally bolted on for good…



http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/AssembledTBI.jpg

[steve]

I also got my fuel lines ran today. I had to cut up my original hard lines because they would no longer fit because my new manifold clocks my TBI about 45 degrees around from its original position. I ended up cutting the factory ends of the lines and then putting a flare on them so I would have "nipples" to clamp hoses to the TBI. The in took what was left of the hard lines that would still fit that ran up the side of the block and flared them too so they can hook tot he soft lines from the TBI. It came out pretty good if you ask me.



(Sorry the pics are dark. I forgot to take them today in the light so I took them at 2 am when I got home from my girl’s house.)



http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Fuelsoftlines.jpg



http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Fuelhardlines.jpg



I was having problems with the fuel hard lines wanting to flop around considering they no loner had one of their ends anchoring them so I used one of my sparkplug wire holders to space out and hold the hard lines. I think worked well. I think I may get a black one though. What do you guys think?



http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Fuellineholder.jpg



I ma not sure when the next day I will be able to work on it is. It seems like with my work schedule I am only getting like one day off a week so that sucks. I will have to wait for my new schedule to come out on Friday to know when I will be working on it next. I will keep you guys posted.

[Drifter666]

i bet it looks good, for some reason the security system blocked photobucket, so i cant see the pics, i can by pass the system but it takes time and im too lazy lol but i want to let you know that i have a pic of the body rott me and you have talked about earlierill have to put it on photo bucket when i get home

[97v8s10]

Looking good. Your almost there buddy!

[steve]

i bet it looks good, for some reason the security system blocked photobucket, so i cant see the pics, i can by pass the system but it takes time and im too lazy lol but i want to let you know that i have a pic of the body rott me and you have talked about earlierill have to put it on photo bucket when i get home

Sounds great just send it to me when you get it up.

[steve]

Well I got a few more hours to work on the truck today again. These two days in a row, are a new record. :rolleyes: I didn’t get much done today. I run the rest of the wires I could and I extended that plug I talk about previously. I also started to run all the vacuum lines. I really wish I took more pictures and labeled things better when I took it all apart. It surely would have made the process go quicker. Well I still have a few vacuum lines to run and wires to hook up once I get the serpentine belt assembly assembled. The sad part is the engine is already looking like a spaghetti of wire and hoses and I am not even done yet. I am really going to have to spend more time making everything look as neat as possible once I figure where everything goes. Here are a couple of pics where I am at now. They really aren't that interesting.


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Enginewiring-vacume.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/EngineFuelline-vacume-wiring.jpg

[Drifter666]

yea i was gonna try n get the pic up today but my girl came over so i got umm.....side tracked lol, i too got some work done, but i have to backtrack now :angry2: i have to re wire the lights on my speakers, witch means for a 3rd time i have to drill out pop rivits make the adjustments then pop rivit it back, but i got most of the glue off the drivers side, ran out of nail polish remover so i had to stop, im gonna try6 and redo the carpet on the door panel wile i have it off so its commin slowley yours sounds like its goin by leaps and bounds

[steve]

yea i was gonna try n get the pic up today but my girl came over so i got umm.....side tracked lol, i too got some work done, but i have to backtrack now :angry2: i have to re wire the lights on my speakers, witch means for a 3rd time i have to drill out pop rivits make the adjustments then pop rivit it back, but i got most of the glue off the drivers side, ran out of nail polish remover so i had to stop, im gonna try6 and redo the carpet on the door panel wile i have it off so its commin slowley yours sounds like its goin by leaps and bounds

My girlfriend was suppose to come over and side track me but she got really bad sun burn and refuses to leave her house, so instead I got some work done on my truck. I did not get much work done because most of the time is spend trying to figure out where hole and wire goes. It is just one big game of memory and I always lost at memory when I was a kid. I probably did not help that me and my buddy were sipping some cold ones while we were trying to remember. :rolleyes: We actually kicked the keg at my house. :(

One quick question... Why do you have to pop rivet in your speakers?

[Drifter666]

I KNOW I WENT TO TECH HIGH SCHOOL FOR SOMETHING!!!!! i finally got past the block and photobucket is now unblocked :-D heres a pic of the rot on my truck, this is the ONLY spot on my truck that has any rust on it

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g158/FREAKY_PYRO/Photo-0092.jpg


and your pop rivet question, thats what the speakers were originally held in with, i just didnt have a way to get to the store when i put them in o i dug around my parents basement and found rivits and the gun to do it so thats why they are pop rivited, and i dont know what size screw they take so instead of playing a guessing game i fig id just pop rivit them again, my original plan was to put them in a custom box under the rear seats, cuz someone had told me that there were 6x9's in the back doors, MAN was i surprised when i took the panel off lol i was like YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

[Drifter666]

BTW sorry bout your girl man, hope she feels better, i kno sunburn can be a bitch! try noxima or something like that, a cooling lotion ya know give her a light massage with it, if you really want go to CVS and get this stuff called solicane is smells horid but works good on sunburn, if she doesnt want you to put the cream stuff on her try gold bond body lotion

[Drifter666]

UGH!! i wish you could just edit posts, i feel stupid, i can see your pics they look awsome, im glad you went withthe compitition orange :-D TRUE GM!!!

[97v8s10]

Keep going steve!

[steve]

BTW sorry bout your girl man, hope she feels better, i kno sunburn can be a bitch! try noxima or something like that, a cooling lotion ya know give her a light massage with it, if you really want go to CVS and get this stuff called solicane is smells horid but works good on sunburn, if she doesnt want you to put the cream stuff on her try gold bond body lotion


Thanks for the advice. I will let her know. As for your little rust problem, you will need a whole lower cheater panel for that quarter panel. That would give you the best results. And you may want to look harder on your Blazer because the roads in CT wreak havoc on the 1st gens so I am sure you can find more rust on your truck. Both my trucks have it. The door lips are a classic spot and so are the front fenders. And watch out for under the spare tire carrier. My blazer got rust under it so I took it off.

[steve]

Keep going steve!


Will do...:D

[Drifter666]

i have looked at it and there really isnt any more rust on it, the tailgate does need to be changed, im not sure if its the stock one or not, it has the groove on the inside for the tire inside, but it also has the bracket got the spare tire holder, i want to get a whole new tailgate, but i cant find one, mine has a crack in it, guess 13+ years of that tire did a number on it, the tailgate isnt rotted or nothing, ive looked inside it, but other than that its pretty much perfect

[steve]

i have looked at it and there really isnt any more rust on it, the tailgate does need to be changed, im not sure if its the stock one or not, it has the groove on the inside for the tire inside, but it also has the bracket got the spare tire holder, i want to get a whole new tailgate, but i cant find one, mine has a crack in it, guess 13+ years of that tire did a number on it, the tailgate isnt rotted or nothing, ive looked inside it, but other than that its pretty much perfect


Wow you got lucky then. These New England weather and all that God dam salt destroy our trucks.

[Drifter666]

yea trust me in know, my friend had a car just sittin in his backyard, there was a rot whole in the right side door and i gould put my hole hand threw it and unlock the door lol

[steve]

I got some tech questions for you engine builders out there.

First, how do I break in my new engine/cam once I get it started for the first time? Tips, suggestions or anything at all will be helpful.

Second, what spark plugs should I run? I think it was Rob that said that because I was using a MSD box I could not run platinum or iridium plugs. He said I should run copper and that was what MSD recommended. I thumbed through my installation manual for the box and it said nothing of the sort. So I am not sure what to think. What do you guys think? Any suggestions?

Last for now, I want to run an oil cooler on my new engine, because I already have a remote oil filter setup so a cooler will be easy to install in line. What I was thinking of doing was using the unused automatic trans cooler in my factory radiator for my oil cooler. Is that possible? If it is not than can I use an aftermarket automatic trans cooler as an oil cooler? There are a lot more choices with trans coolers than oil coolers. What do you guys think? Here are a few pics of my radiator and its automatic trans cooler fittings.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Transcooler.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Transcooler2.jpg

Thanks again guys!

[97v8s10]

I really wish I had answers for your questions. All my experience is with my truck too.

[steve]

I really wish I had answers for your questions. All my experience is with my truck too.

It is ok... Any one else have any ideas?

[Rinkrat456]

I don't see the need for such a small motor to have an oil cooler. I think I remember someone on here with a 2.8/3.4 revving it past 6000rpms, in which case you'll want all the oil pressure you can pump out. An oil cooler will drop the pressure of your lube system without increased pump flow. By how much I'm not sure, but I would choose a tranny cooler before an oil cooler in a small V6. I'd plumb the tranny cooler in line before it reaches the radiator so you keep the heat out of the radiator, then when the fluid passes through the radiator it warms up to operating temps, doubling as an extra cooling device in warm stop and go traffic. Definately go with a fan powered tranny cooler, so in those warm idle situations you can flip a switch and keep your truck cool.

I'll definately have the above setup on my truck.
This is the one I'll use.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=FLX%2D4190&N=700+4294924500+115&autoview=sku

[xtreme2001]

I agree with rink on the tranny cooler.

[steve]

I don't see the need for such a small motor to have an oil cooler. I think I remember someone on here with a 2.8/3.4 revving it past 6000rpms, in which case you'll want all the oil pressure you can pump out. An oil cooler will drop the pressure of your lube system without increased pump flow. By how much I'm not sure, but I would choose a tranny cooler before an oil cooler in a small V6. I'd plumb the tranny cooler in line before it reaches the radiator so you keep the heat out of the radiator, then when the fluid passes through the radiator it warms up to operating temps, doubling as an extra cooling device in warm stop and go traffic. Definately go with a fan powered tranny cooler, so in those warm idle situations you can flip a switch and keep your truck cool.

I'll definately have the above setup on my truck.
This is the one I'll use.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=FLX%2D4190&N=700+4294924500+115&autoview=sku

Rink are you suggesting I should run a trany cooler as an oil cooler? I have a manual trans so those do not use trans coolers. I was figuring since I am already running a remote oil filter, what would be the harm of running a cooler too. If you think about it as long as I don't get one of those huge oil coolers it will on as like maybe a foot or two of oil travel in my oil system. What would be more beneficial, the extra oil pressure by having 2 less feet to my oiling system or the reduced temp of the oil in return of the engine?

[xtreme2001]

Most tranny coolers I have seen are some what cheaper in price an oil coolers but work just as well. Using the tranny cooler in your radiator could introduce heat back into your engine through the cooling system.

[Rinkrat456]

Oh oh. For some reason I assumed you had a 4 speed auto. Forget the tranny cooler idea.

I'm not sure what type of driving you'll be doing with your 2.8/3.4 truck once it's done, but if it'll be more of a daily driver then I would get an oil cooler to sit on the frame. They're about 3" tall and up to 24" long that are supposed to mount to the side of a frame rail. Then plumb in a second oil filter, one leading into the next run in parallel. This will add about 1 extra quart of oil and keep temps low, lengthening oil change intervals by 500-1000 more miles. If I remember right, it was Dime who always used dual filters and a frame mounted cooler along with a deep sump oil pan which in turn increased capacity to 10 quarts and he didn't change oil for 10k miles.

[steve]

Oh oh. For some reason I assumed you had a 4 speed auto. Forget the tranny cooler idea.

I'm not sure what type of driving you'll be doing with your 2.8/3.4 truck once it's done, but if it'll be more of a daily driver then I would get an oil cooler to sit on the frame. They're about 3" tall and up to 24" long that are supposed to mount to the side of a frame rail. Then plumb in a second oil filter, one leading into the next run in parallel. This will add about 1 extra quart of oil and keep temps low, lengthening oil change intervals by 500-1000 more miles. If I remember right, it was Dime who always used dual filters and a frame mounted cooler along with a deep sump oil pan which in turn increased capacity to 10 quarts and he didn't change oil for 10k miles.

Rink that's some great advice about the frame mount. I was not able to find any frame mount oil cooler. I can use a frame mount trans cooler right to do the same thing? I am not sure if I will be mounting a second oil filter though. The oil filter relocater I already have has a larger oil filter already. I go from a stock filter 4.75" in length and 3" in diameter to a filter that is 5" long and 3.625" in diameter. Here is a pic of the kit excluding the engine block adapter which is already installed.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Oilfilterkit.jpg

Note: I will no be using Fram oil filters on my truck. That filter came with the kit and will only be used for the initial start up and then changed at the first oil change after the cam is broken in. I will be using nothing but K&N oil filters on it.

Rink where would you suggest I place a frame mounted oil cooler? I was thinking actually down on the radiator support under the radiator.

[steve]

How do you guys think this will work?

ALUMINUM 18" FINNED TRANSMISSION COOLER TRANS UNIVERSAL

Universal 18" aluminum finned transmission cooler. This transmission cooler is universal fit. The size of the fittings are 3/8" NPT.

Part# HZ-0052

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/42000091/Images/1/0052-S.jpg

It is on EBay for $38.95 plus $10.00 shipping. If I got this I would mount it under the radiator on the core support. I would have my oil line come from on filter adapter on the driver side of the engine cross front of the engine tot he oil filter relocater on the passenger lower inner fender. Then I will run back across the front to the oil filter adapter. On either on the inflow or the outflow the oil cooler will be installed. I am not sure if it matter which one. What do you guys think of that?

[Rinkrat456]

I'd mount it on the driver side where the frame straightens out, basically in front of the gas tank under the driver side door.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=PRM%2D1005&N=700+115&autoview=sku

[steve]

I am looking at this one too. It comes with a build in filter that will filter up till 4 microns.




http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D41200&N=700+4294924500+4294839034+115&autoview=sku

[steve]

I just bought my cooler. Here are some pics and specs.



http://i2.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/a0/46/26c5_1.JPG (http://i2.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/a0/46/26c5_1.JPG)

http://i12.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/a0/46/26f6_1.JPG (http://i12.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/a0/46/26f6_1.JPG)

It is blue anodized aluminum and it is 18 inches long.

[97v8s10]

Looks nice.

[Drifter666]

that would look good on my truck, its blue :) lol looks cool tho

[steve]

that would look good on my truck, its blue :) lol looks cool tho

It will look good on mine too, considering my truck is GM Dark Blue Metallic. ;)

[steve]

Well I got a lot done today, for once. I got the starter installed. Here are some pics of the new starter. I put a quick disconnect on it, because for some reason GM can not spend a few more pennies to give more slack to the starter wires for installation and removal. And I also put a heat blanket on it to protect it from the header heat. I have been told by quite a few that headers will cook off starters prematurely if they are not protected from the heat.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Starter.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Header-starter.jpg P.S. I also clear coated my new starter before I put it in. Any one want to tae bets on how long the starter goes before not s shiny anymore?

[steve]

I also got my whole serpentine belt system assembled. And the best of all, I got in and installed my new chrome K&N valve cover air breather (For those of you that are counting, add 5 horse power to the final engine output.). Here are some more pics.


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/AirBreather.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/powersteeringpump.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/FrontofengineComplete.jpg

[Drifter666]

nice man, realy coming along

[97v8s10]

Keep up the good work. :thumbsup4

[steve]

Thanks guys!!! Tomorrow if the weather holds out I want to get the cooling system plumbed. It is going to be interesting because I have to run a new heater hose and I am not sure how to run it because my stock manifold had the hose coming out the back of the intake and my new manifold has is in front. I may have some clearance problems with the accessories and belt. We will see.

[steve]

Today I got everything I wanted to get done done. I installed the radiator, E-fan (haven't wired it yet), assesory belt and all the cooling hoses. It is coming along very nicely. The only things I have left to do before I can fire it up are:

Install the Y-pipe and cat
Wire the E-fan
Install the oil cooler and remote oil filter (I am still awaiting on the oiler cooler to come in)
Install the spark plugs (I am still looking fr sugestion on whcih spark plugs to run.)
Install the air box
Install the Hurst shifter
Fill all the fluids
Prime the the oiling system
Install the distributor
And lastly, turn the key:D

I can not wait to turn that key and hear it purrrrrrrr!

Here are some pics of where I am at.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Coolingsystemdone.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Heaterhosebracket.jpg

[DRaaB]

that thing looks awesome man, super clean and super nice. I'll be interested to hear how a nice 2.8 runs. Perhaps a sound clip when its completed?

[97v8s10]

Heck yeah steve... Your almost there buddy!

[67Truckin]

Will that fan belt get to slapping and cut into your heater hose? Maybe put a 90 at the intake and get the hose back behind the belt?
I ran the normal spark plugs on my built 2.8 back in the mid eighties. It was bored .060 and had higher compression with a Crane cam of .450 lift.

[steve]

Will that fan belt get to slapping and cut into your heater hose? Maybe put a 90 at the intake and get the hose back behind the belt?
I ran the normal spark plugs on my built 2.8 back in the mid eighties. It was bored .060 and had higher compression with a Crane cam of .450 lift.


67Truckin how much do you think the heater hose will shake? I am pretty sure I have almost 2 inches of clearance (I will check that exact number later.). What brand did you use for plus? What gap did you set? I am running a MSD ignition box so do you think that will make a difference? Last question for now, how do you suggest I should break in the engine and ca? Sorry for the rapid fire questions. :o


And thanks guys for the support! I will see if I can barrow a video camera from some one to get some videos for you guys of the engine running.

[67Truckin]

67Truckin how much do you think the heater hose will shake? I am pretty sure I have almost 2 inches of clearance (I will check that exact number later.). What brand did you use for plus? What gap did you set? I am running a MSD ignition box so do you think that will make a difference? Last question for now, how do you suggest I should break in the engine and ca? Sorry for the rapid fire questions. :o
.
Unless the heater hose is really long it should not shake too much. The picture looked closer than that.
I always run ACDelco sparkplugs in my GM engines with the stock gap but I didn't have the ignition box like you do. Maybe open up the plugs an extra .o10" and see how they read after running abit.
As far as the break-in period, I usually run the engine about 20 minutes with varying throttle positions and then recheck all adjustments, timing, hoses, clamps, lines, etc. If you used any prelube or assembly lube when building the engine you may want to change the oil and filter after maybe a week of driving so they don't plug up the oil filter. Then I just baby the engine for the first 1000 miles and change the oil again.

[steve]

Unless the heater hose is really long it should not shake too much. The picture looked closer than that.
I always run ACDelco sparkplugs in my GM engines with the stock gap but I didn't have the ignition box like you do. Maybe open up the plugs an extra .o10" and see how they read after running abit.
As far as the break-in period, I usually run the engine about 20 minutes with varying throttle positions and then recheck all adjustments, timing, hoses, clamps, lines, etc. If you used any prelube or assembly lube when building the engine you may want to change the oil and filter after maybe a week of driving so they don't plug up the oil filter. Then I just baby the engine for the first 1000 miles and change the oil again.
Yeah I seem to have plenty of space for the hoses, thank God.
As for the break in, I have heard from different sources that as soon as I get the truck started I should bring it up till like 2or 3 grand and let it sit there for 20-30 mins to break in the cam correctly. I was told then to change my oil and filter and driver like a pansy for 3000 miles. Have any thoughts on that? Is that too conservative?
I did use assembly lube and mucho amounts of engine oil. The engine sat in a dry shed for 2 years so I kept it very welled oiled to keep the evil rust away. I am sure the engine will smoke like a b@st@rd when I first start it. Oh one last thing I did fabricate myself an engine primer using an old distributor so that should help me right with the initial start up.

[67Truckin]

Yeah I seem to have plenty of space for the hoses, thank God.
As for the break in, I have heard from different sources that as soon as I get the truck started I should bring it up till like 2or 3 grand and let it sit there for 20-30 mins to break in the cam correctly. I was told then to change my oil and filter and driver like a pansy for 3000 miles. Have any thoughts on that? Is that too conservative?
I did use assembly lube and mucho amounts of engine oil. The engine sat in a dry shed for 2 years so I kept it very welled oiled to keep the evil rust away. I am sure the engine will smoke like a b@st@rd when I first start it. Oh one last thing I did fabricate myself an engine primer using an old distributor so that should help me right with the initial start up.
The engine primer is an excellent idea. Most forget to do that on an engine that has been stored for awhile. Varying the rpm's at around 2000 is my way of breaking in an engine. The main thing is to not let it idle for a long period at break-in. The higher rpm keeps the lifters and pushrods spinning which aids the cam lobe break-in. 3000 rpm sounds too high for a new, tight engine during the initial breakin period. Otherwise babying it for 3000 miles will not hurt a thing. :)

[Ryan]

My engine was rebuilt a month ago and he told me to make sure there's oil presure fire it up and let it run at 3000 rmp set the timming and make sure there are no leaks. He told me a could beat on the motor as soon as it warms. I'm going to baby the motor anyways because and can't hurt it for the first 1000 miles

[steve]

Thanks for your replies guys. I think I am going to break it in at 2000ish rpm for like 20 or so minutes and then drive it like an old lady for the first 3000 or so. It sounds like the best idea. Thanks again!

[steve]

Well I got nothing really done today or yesterday on my truck even though they were my 2 days off this week. :( I have more pressing things I have. MY Blazer daily driver is having fuel issues again and I am tired of it. MY truck Blazer has been in the shop every other month for since I got it over a year ago now. I am done with it. I am going to see it after I fix it this time. I have been pricing out Cobalts and I think I am going to buy either a one year old one or a brand new one. I just want something simple, 2dr, low mileage and a 5 speed. I can get a 2006-2007 with 0-20,000 miles on the clock for $200 for 60-66 months. The car will have a 5 year power train and a 3 year bumper to bumper and road side assistance if I buy it new or GM certified used. How can I go wrong? So tomorrow my blazer is going to the shop to get fixed and then it is going right to the Bargain News to get sold.

What do you guys think of my estimated price for the truck?
I want to ask $2500 OBO.
It has 145,000 on the clock. It has a new fuel pump, water pump, exhaust, oil lines; tune up with in 20,000miles, CPI spider and motor mounts. It also has a cowl hood, Flex-a-Lite E-fan and a K&N air intake. I know those things will not add t the price. But I doubt those will add to the price, but I also doubt they will deduct either. I am also not including my stereo unless they want to make a special deal for that to be thrown in too. I would need to see about $3000 to have that thrown in too.

So what do you guys think????





Here are some pics or it:


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/DSC00121.jpg



http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/DSC00126.jpg

[97v8s10]

I hate to see you get rid of the blazer but if that's what you want to do. :cry:

[steve]

I hate to see you get rid of the blazer but if that's what you want to do. :cry:


It is ok there beck... Let it all out. You will feel better after a good cry.

That Blazer has been nothing but a plague on my wallet since I got it. It is in the shop right now because it won’t start. :frustrate If I had to guess it is the spider injector I had changed just 3 months ago. I am just so tired of not being able to rely on my daily driver.
I figure with the money I will be saving on gas (going from 16 mpg to 37mpg) and the money I will be saving on repairs and up keep (That's more money then my blood pressure will allow me to calculate:angry2: ) I will have no problem paying the 200$ a month car loan. It might even out if I run all the numbers.

And another perk to a new/newer car is I am getting a standard again. I am tired of autos. They bore me. I am really excited about a new car!!!

[97v8s10]

Well I'd take the blazer in a heartbeat if you were closer and took monthly payments!

[steve]

Well I have felt like cr@p the past few days but, I was not going to let that stop me from getting some work done on my truck today. It is a good thing it was 90+ degrees today, because it made it easy to look pasta possible fever. :frustrate I was able to get my oil system finished today. It went sort of easy. I had to cut a little inner fender so I could run the oil lines to the outside of the frame and the holes were a pine in the butt to drill with the body in the way. But it came together. So here are some pics.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Oilsystemunderview.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Oilsystemoutsideview.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Oilsystemblock.jpg

[daryl]

Looks good

[steve]

If you guys are wondering when the truck is on the all fours the oil filter and cooler can not be seen from a standing position unless you’re pretty far away.

On another note, I tried to bolt up the Y-pipe today also. And I would have had it but, I had the wrong bolts for the header flanges. Any one know what thread and bolt size Edelbrock header uses for their flanges?

[steve]

Looks good

Thanks!

[97v8s10]

Looks great son! Keep up the good work.

[steve]

Looks great son! Keep up the good work.

Thanks Dad... HAHAHAHA

[steve]

I got a little work done on my truck today. I would have finished wiring the E-Fan but I need the Flex-a-lite manual over ride switch and also I need to get a GM terminal block to relieve my positive battery terminal of all the extra wires going to it. I am a little low on money these days, considering I have to buy a new car so my lack of funds is certainly slowing down my project. :( Hopefully I will get some funs by the end of this week and can get the stuff I need to finish off this project. I will keep you guys posted.

[97v8s10]

Get them funds. Then send some my way! :D

[steve]

Well I got some work done it he past few days. I redid my air box. The air box had a tube on it for the crank case breather that was no longer needed so I took it out and welded the hole shut. This was my first time welding sheet metal, so you guy that have welded know what I went through to fill the 3/4 inch hole. I blew through a few new holes and I had to do a lot of grinding. (Any suggestions on how to reduce blow throughs would be really appreciated.) Then I had to do a little bondo work to smoothen it out. But over all it came out ok and it was a good learning experience. Here are a few pics of it all painted and with the lid on it.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/airintake.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/2.jpg

[97v8s10]

That looks really cool! Nice work.

[steve]

I got a little, and I mean a little, work done today. I got, wired and mounted up my terminal block. It went pretty easily. It was just a pain to work with such heave gauge wire (4 gage). That stuff was stiff as hell. I was lucky I had some leftover 4 gage high strand amp wire to supply the terminal block. That made wiring a little easier. Although I think4 gage is over kill for a terminal block that is only supplying my MSD ignition and my E-fan right now. All and all it came out well and here is a fuzzy pic to prove it.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Batteryterminal.jpg


On another note my shift boot for my Hurst shifter and my Flex-a-light E-Fan over ride switch are on order from Summit and should be in soon. That would allow me to finish the wiring for my E-Fan and install my shifter. That only leaves me with finishing bolting my exhaust up (I just got the bolts today), installing my spark plugs, wires and distributor. And then I can prime it and turn that wonderful key and hear the truck growl for the first time in over 2 years. I can not wait.

I am still looking for suggestion on good plugs to run. I have been told to run copper plugs so I am, but I am just not sure on which brand/model to run. Please give me suggestions.

[97v8s10]

Awesome! You don't have much to go.

[97v8s10]

OOOPS! Wrong thread

[steve]

Well I got a little work done the other day and they hit a major snag. I installed the manual override switch for my E-fan and then I went to go test it. I temporarily hooked up a battery and then turn the key to the on position and got a lot of nothing. Half the stuff in the truck did not work. I had no radio display (but it did work to some extent), no head lights, tail lights, dash lights or interior lights (except for map lights). I had no horn and cigarette lighter too. It seems like my horn fuse circuit and my T/L-Ctsy fuse circuit is not working. The fuses are ok. I check the fuse sockets with multi-meter and got nothing. So right now I have no idea what could be the problem. Do you guys have nay ideas? The truck has been sitting now for over 2 years so I am not sure what could have happened. Thanks guys for any suggestions you may have to offer.

[steve]

BUMB... BUMB... Come on guys I need your opinions.

[Drifter666]

id love to help but i dont know anything about that kind of stuff, i guess check the fuse blocks and see if any wires rotted away or cams disconnected thats all i can help you with sorry bro

[steve]

id love to help but i dont know anything about that kind of stuff, i guess check the fuse blocks and see if any wires rotted away or cams disconnected thats all i can help you with sorry bro

Thanks for the input. I have to start tracking wires. But you know that those 1st gen fuse blocks could not be in anymore of an awkward position. You have to be a contortionist to get at it.

[DRaaB]

I would suggest a disconnected ground somewhere. I remember when I accidentally left my ground disconnected for my tail lights, only some of the things inside the truck would work, like the dash would like up a little bit, and if you put the turn signal on, it would light up the little arrow, but not blink. Just weird stuff like that. That's my guess.

[daryl]

That makes sense, because if a few things are not working then its probably not the wiring to all of them.

[steve]

Thanks guys I will recheck my grounds for sure. Any one else have any ideas.

[steve]

Well I got some good news. I fixed that electrical power problem I was having. Some how, one of my distribution blocks was not getting power. I just ran a separate 8 gauge power wire to it and that fixed all my problems. I also bolted up my y-pipe today and also stalled my Hurst shifter. I did have one set back though. My manual over ride switch for my E-fan does not work for some reason so I will have to get a new one. That will take a week or so.:( Well once I get that new switch in all I will have to do is fill al the fluids, install the spark plugs, prime the engine install the distributor and start it up. I am getting so close. :D

[1983BOWTIEBEATER]

once it's up and running you'll have to post a vid of it for us:) you put a lot of time and money into it so it will be a relief for you to hear it come to life-that's what it's all about.

[97v8s10]

You'll be driving it in no time!

[Drifter666]

good to hear dude, about the override switch? could you just use any toggle switch or is it a speacial one? id get one of thos NOS arming switches :)

[steve]

good to hear dude, about the override switch? could you just use any toggle switch or is it a speacial one? id get one of thos NOS arming switches :)

I wish it was a normal switch but it is not. It has a built in diode. If I was to use a regular lighted switch the fan will blow the fuse once I try to engage the automatic thermostat. So now I have to wait for the new switch to come in. I still have to buy my sparkplugs and fluids. I have decided to go with a copper plug, but I am not sure what brand. Do you guys have any suggestions? Also I know I am running all synthetic Royal Purple fluids in it which I still have to buy, but I am not sure what type of oil to break the engine in on. I have been told to use a good conventional oil to break in the engine and to only run it for the cam break in period and not much longer. What do you guys think of that? Do you guys have any suggestions? I am hoping to have it on the road in a week or town I got a vacation week coming up so I should have plenty of time for tuning. I will keep you guys posted. Thanks for the kind words.

[steve]

I have been pricing out fluids for my truck and I need some input. My truck's 5 speed uses auto trans fluid and the book recommends Dextron II GM part # 1051855. I would like to go with all Royal Purple synthetics with my fluids and they do not seem to make a Dextron II. They only make Dextron III. Can I use Dextron III instead? And how much fluid will my 5 speed take? Also, how much fluid will a power steering system take? I can not find these capacities anywhere. Any help you guys can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[steve]

BUMP... BUMP... I just want to make sure the members that know have a chance to read this.

[1983BOWTIEBEATER]

I use dextron 3 in my transmission.

[steve]

I use dextron 3 in my transmission.

Did it originally tell you to run Dextron II though? I am weary of getting it wrong because I don't want to destroy my freshly rebuild 5 speed.

[1983BOWTIEBEATER]

I didn't know what it said to use on mine so I just poured it in and it runs fine,mine is a 4 speed auto though. should work,but not sure

[steve]

I didn't know what it said to use on mine so I just poured it in and it runs fine,mine is a 4 speed auto though. should work,but not sure

Yeah I read the book because I have a 5 speed standard and some of them take auto trans fluid and others take gear lube. Mine takes auto trans fluid. And it says to use Dextron II.

[daryl]

I would ask GM, but Dexron 3 is supposed to be the replacement for dexron 2 so it SHOULD be backwards compatible.

[1983BOWTIEBEATER]

I would ask GM, but Dexron 3 is supposed to be the replacement for dexron 2 so it SHOULD be backwards compatible.

what he said

[steve]

I would ask GM, but Dexron 3 is supposed to be the replacement for dexron 2 so it SHOULD be backwards compatible.

That's a good idea. I will drop by the good old Chevy dealer tomorrow.

Does anyone know how much a T5 5 speed can hold for trans fluid?

[DRaaB]

The fluid capacity is 5.6 pints (2.8 quarts) on a Tremec T-5 Manual Transmission, however a real basic rule of thumb for most Manual Transmissions, is to just fill the fluid up to the top filler hole (on the side of the trans) just to the point where it begins to run out, at that point, you know it's full, and at the correct level.

I found this pretty informative page on just about everything regarding the T-5, focusing mainly on rebuild: http://www.pomoforacing.com/tech/T5Rebuild2002.pdf

[DRaaB]

As I was reading more throughly in this article, I found this information that you may find helpful in regards to what you guys were discussing earlier about trans fluid vs. gear oil:

Trans fluid:
Whatever you do, do not use gear oil (e.g. 80W90) in a T5! The lubrication passages are so small on some
components that gear oil will not flow readily and lubricate properly. You stand a chance of spalling, galling, or
otherwise destroying a trans if pushed to extremes. Use Dexron II, Mercon III, or a synthetic ATF. Some
synthetics have friction modifier in them; if you can find one without it, opt for that one (read the back of the
container; usually they indicate whether modifier is present or not). If you use a synthetic, I have found (in the
handful of friends' cars that run it) that the trans tends to whine a little more than with conventional ATF. If you
don't mind the slight amount of noise, the increased service interval is nice (I drive mine 100 miles per day!).
The fluid capacity is 5.6 pints (2.8 quarts); just fill up until it runs out of the top fill port (on the passenger side).

[steve]

Thanks DRaaB! That is some great info.

I started to buy all my remaining parts and fluids today and wow I never expected to spend this much on such simple things. I got a K&N air filter, 5 qt. or Quaker State 5w30 (I am using it for break in), 2 jugs of antifreeze, and a set of ACdelco copper plugs and I have already spent over $100. I still need all my royal purple fluids (3 qt. of dextron III ATF, 5 qt. of 5w30 full synthetic, power steering fluid and coolant additive) and my K&N oil filter. I know I am over doing it with all these expensive fluids and filters, but I put a lot of money and time into that engine and it will give me peace of mind to put the best of the best for fluids and filters into it. So I figure I have at least another $100 in things to buy. That will have to wait until next paycheck. So I figure I have the first full week off in August for my B-day so I will give my self a B-day present of a running truck.:D



PS: What do you guys think I should set my gap at? Should I go with the stock 2.8 gap? It is now a 3.4 with a MSD ignition and a different intake, tbi, heads and cam. So what do you guys think?

[DRaaB]

Because you have the upgraded ignition, it would be ideal to set the gap a bit wider than stock, this will allow for a "hotter", or "fatter" spark more reliable ignition of the fuel-air mixture, and with your MSD set up, it should have no trouble whatsoever providing the necessary spark for this increased gap. However, this will result in a more frequent need to replace the plugs, due to natural erosion of the electrode, causing the gap to widen beyond acceptable limits, failing to create spark. (for example, a technician at an auto shop may install plugs in a stock motor at the minimum manufacturers acceptable gap, in order to pro long plug life to compensate inevitable erosion)

[steve]

Because you have the upgraded ignition, it would be ideal to set the gap a bit wider than stock, this will allow for a "hotter", or "fatter" spark more reliable ignition of the fuel-air mixture, and with your MSD set up, it should have no trouble whatsoever providing the necessary spark for this increased gap. However, this will result in a more frequent need to replace the plugs, due to natural erosion of the electrode, causing the gap to widen beyond acceptable limits, failing to create spark. (for example, a technician at an auto shop may install plugs in a stock motor at the minimum manufacturers acceptable gap, in order to pro long plug life to compensate inevitable erosion)


That's some great advice! How over do you think I should set my gaps? The 2.8 stock is supposed to have a .045 gap.

[DRaaB]

I wouldn't go much more that .020 over stock, so between .055 and .060 would probably be a good range. Try it, see how it runs, and if its not how you like, go back down to .05, or even the recommended .045. A little experimenting never hurt anyone. It's all really dependent on your motors characteristics, compression ratio, air/fuel mixture, timing, things of that nature.

[steve]

I wouldn't go much more that .020 over stock, so between .055 and .060 would probably be a good range. Try it, see how it runs, and if its not how you like, go back down to .05, or even the recommended .045. A little experimenting never hurt anyone. It's all really dependent on your motors characteristics, compression ratio, air/fuel mixture, timing, things of that nature.

Thanks for the great advice. I will certainly open it up a little.

[steve]

Here is a pic of my Hurst shifter installed. It is not much done but it is something and it gives you guys something to look at. I know everyone loves pics.:D





http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Hurstshifter.jpg

[97v8s10]

Nice!... lol! You be driving your truck shortly.

[steve]

Nice!... lol! You be driving your truck shortly.

Thanks I can't wait to be banging the gears again in that truck.

[DRaaB]

Looks sick man, can't wait to hear how she runs!

[steve]

I test fitted my air box today when I was measuring for the hole to cut out for my scoop. And when it was on I could not help but snap a pic for you guys, because that is pretty much what the engine is going to look like, minus a couple intake tubes and some spark plug wires.



http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/Aircleanertestfit.jpg

[97v8s10]

Man that looks really sweet!

[davo1028]

Looks great! Do you have anything else to do besides the hood and minor engine pieces?

[steve]

Fill the fluids, prime the engine, and install the spark plugs, distributor and wires. Then I can turn the key and break in the cam. I am almost done with the hood. Maybe if money, time and the planets all line up I can have the truck running for the end of this week. But I doubt it. I have to find a new car for my daily driver by Labor Day. (The fact I have spent the whole summer in daily driver limbo has really killed my social life and has put me in a state of financial instability and uncertainty.) I need a car to drive back and forth to school. I am looking.

[crazy91s10]

i think im comin to ct to trade trucks very soon!!!! motor looks amazing sittin in there! also love the "2.8 stroker" on the lid!!! very classy

[steve]

i think im comin to ct to trade trucks very soon!!!! motor looks amazing sittin in there! also love the "2.8 stroker" on the lid!!! very classy

Thanks! I made that sticker on my computer and then buried it clear coat to make sure it would not come off. Hey if you come down to CT when I get the truck on the road I may even let you take it for a spin.

[Danny_SS]

Steve, your truck seems ready to hit the streets. What are you missing?

[steve]

Steve, your truck seems ready to hit the streets. What are you missing?

Right now all I need is to get now is a battery for it and about 100 dollars worth or fluids. It is not much and with a few hundred dollars it will be running. But I just had to cash in my change to buy lunch yesterday, so I am pretty dam poor and on top of that my credit car has about 400 dollars worth of school books on it so it won’t be for a few weeks before my wallet recovers. This summer has been a huge financial let down for me considering I was forced to buy a new car because of my P.O.S. Blazer and my jobs just did not come though with the hours for the summer.:( My goal is to have to running before I have to put my wrenches down for the winter. I doubt it will be road worthy though, because I still need to get a new grill for it and redo my bumper mounts. I sure this swap would have taken much shorter if I just cut corners were I could, but I have been really anal with this swap and that has just sucked up time and money. The finished product should be worth it. :D

[1983BOWTIEBEATER]

Right now all I need is to get now is a battery for it and about 100 dollars worth or fluids. It is not much and with a few hundred dollars it will be running. But I just had to cash in my change to buy lunch yesterday, so I am pretty dam poor and on top of that my credit car has about 400 dollars worth of school books on it so it won’t be for a few weeks before my wallet recovers. This summer has been a huge financial let down for me considering I was forced to buy a new car because of my P.O.S. Blazer and my jobs just did not come though with the hours for the summer.:( My goal is to have to running before I have to put my wrenches down for the winter. I doubt it will be road worthy though, because I still need to get a new grill for it and redo my bumper mounts. I sure this swap would have taken much shorter if I just cut corners were I could, but I have been really anal with this swap and that has just sucked up time and money. The finished product should be worth it. :D

I would go without food to get btb back on her four feet:)


oh,and on a serious note steve-never put a smilie in a sentence with the word anal. lol

[steve]

I would go without food to get btb back on her four feet:)


oh,and on a serious note steve-never put a smilie in a sentence with the word anal. lol

I need to go with out a lot of sam-ich-es and beer to get my truck back on the road. I am sorry but I can't put my truck back together starving and sober. I won’t have the energy or be in the right mind set. It would be useless.

And as for the other statement... I have no way of answering that and keeping the site PG. So I will just not say a thing.:D

[Danny_SS]

$100 WORTH OF FLUIDS SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF FLUIDS TO ME. (damn caps)

All I can think of is motor oil and filter ($15) antifreeze ($10), Tranny oil if auto ( $30 for 10 quarts) = $55. Are you getting some really fancy stuff?

[steve]

$100 WORTH OF FLUIDS SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF FLUIDS TO ME. (damn caps)

All I can think of is motor oil and filter ($15) antifreeze ($10), Tranny oil if auto ( $30 for 10 quarts) = $55. Are you getting some really fancy stuff?

Yeah I am going some what fancy I guess. I have to do 3 oil changes with filter in the first 500 miles (GM break in recommendations). And the final, I am using all Royal Purple synthetics and a K&N filter. So yeah it is going to add up quickly. I realize I am probably going over kill with my fluids, but I have to for peace of mind.

[Danny_SS]

I personally would do plenty of oil changes during break in using quality convensional oil and GOOD filters. After Break in then i would do the synthetic.
I really do not see too much benefit in sunning the Syn during break in, but like I always say "whatever tickles your pickle".

[steve]

I personally would do plenty of oil changes during break in using quality convensional oil and GOOD filters. After Break in then i would do the synthetic.
I really do not see too much benefit in sunning the Syn during break in, but like I always say "whatever tickles your pickle".


No, I am not using synthetics for break in. I am using a quality conventional oil. I have actually heard that it is not good to break in an engine on synthetics. It is something about getting the rings and cam to break in corectly.

[crazy91s10]

this thing better be on the road!!!!!!!!!!! slacker!!!!!!!!!

[steve]

This thing is sitting warm under a car cover that is covered in snow right now. It will be uncovered come spring and then running shortly after. I have finally got financially back on my feet so I will have no problem finding the money to finish it. Thanks for the interest. I will keep you posted.

[Hicks84s10]

Yea I cant wait to hear that this baby is running and see what kinda of feel it has to it.

[steve]

Yea I cant wait to hear that this baby is running and see what kinda of feel it has to it.

Me too...

[Tekizin2001]

its nice to see somebody doing something with the 2.8L.... I swear that motor is the un-wanted bastard child of chevys.

[steve]

its nice to see somebody doing something with the 2.8L.... I swear that motor is the un-wanted bastard child of chevys.


Yeah it is the red headed step child of GM.

[brakemaster_43]

I swear that motor is the un-wanted bastard child of chevys.

i almost fell out of my chair on that one.



any clue how much power it'll be putting out or what kinda times you might run? dont forget you you promised me a test drive :D

[Hicks84s10]

its nice to see somebody doing something with the 2.8L.... I swear that motor is the un-wanted bastard child of chevys.

:D so true. I almost laughed my ass off I had to superglue it back on.

[steve]

i almost fell out of my chair on that one.



any clue how much power it'll be putting out or what kinda times you might run? dont forget you you promised me a test drive :D
I am hoping to get about 200hp and maybe a little more torque at the crank. It won’t be a rocket sled like your truck, but it should be fun. And I am game for a test driving session.

[Tekizin2001]

really, only 200 horses... I would of guess maybe 215-220... I have never dynoed my 2.8 but it does quite well with the ported and polished head-work, crane-cam, headers, and custom exhaust ect ect ect... maybe thats why my truck wont sell... people here 2.8L and take off like my truck's motor has some rampant un-curable STD.....Well, as a said before its good to know I am not the only one who rebuilt one of these...keep up the good work man & if that doesnt work we can go in on some leaf blowers and NOS.

[steve]

really, only 200 horses... I would of guess maybe 215-220... I have never dynoed my 2.8 but it does quite well with the ported and polished head-work, crane-cam, headers, and custom exhaust ect ect ect... maybe thats why my truck wont sell... people here 2.8L and take off like my truck's motor has some rampant un-curable STD.....Well, as a said before its good to know I am not the only one who rebuilt one of these...keep up the good work man & if that doesnt work we can go in on some leaf blowers and NOS.


Well I have not been able to find anyone that has done an engine similar to mine and dynoed it. The GM 3.4 crate engine which has a similar cam to mine is rated at 160HP and 194 torque. Since my truck will have better intake and exhaust I am conservatively going about 200HP and 200 torque. I am going to be getting the truck dynoed and a custom chip burned for it once I have it running. So that will be the proof we all need. The last thing I want to do is make bold claims and look like an A-hole.

[brakemaster_43]

forgive me if you've already said this in this thread somewhere, but do you plan on putting any giggle juice on your motor?

[steve]

forgive me if you've already said this in this thread somewhere, but do you plan on putting any giggle juice on your motor?

In time yes I am. But I want to get it running and break it in first. It probably won’t be for a few years before I juice it. I will probably only conservatively juice, it like a 50 shot. I am not looking to have a track truck I just want it for fun weekend driving.

[Tekizin2001]

i can go with that... better to air on the side of caution until the task is done, hope things go well...I def would like to see some numbers up once its all finished up...

[steve]

i can go with that... better to air on the side of caution until the task is done, hope things go well...I def would like to see some numbers up once its all finished up...

Once I get them I will post them. :D

[steve]

I was doing some research on the internet tonight on a future project I want to do. Here are a couple of links for you 2.8 guys out there to show you how wild 2.8 builds can get. Maybe you guys can get some more ideas or at least learn something new. Here are some links to a supercharger for the 2.8 and a web page devoted to a 2.8 supercharger build (This engine is my hero).


http://www.***eolsuperchargers.com/

http://www.614streets.com/2.8.html

[steve]

[QUOTE=steve]

http://www.***eolsuperchargers.com/

/QUOTE]
I hate brainless censoring! The "***" stands for the letters F-A-G.

[97v8s10]

I have my fuel injected donor car. Will take pics tomorrow.

[97v8s10]

Woops....Wrong thread!

[steve]

Well I finally got everything I need to start up my engine. I got the battery, fluids, filters and everything I need to finish the gauges. If the weather holds out and everything goes right I should have it running in a week or two. Here is a list over everything I got.

Optima Yellow Top battery
K&N air filter
K&N oil filter
Case of Royal Purple 5w30
3 qts of Royal Purple ATF
3 16oz bottles of Royal Purple power steering fluid
1 16oz bottle of Royal Purple Purple Ice
Auto Meter oil pressure sender
Auto Meter water temp sender
And a lot of miscellaneous wiring supplies

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t316/soxrger_rate/RoyalPurple.jpgThis stuff cost me a ton and I am sure I went over kill on the fluids, but it give me peace of mind considering how much time and money I put into the engine to get it to this point.





So now the work begins. I can not wait to hear my truck breath fire after over 3 years of sitting.

[steve]

I cleared the last major hurdle tonight before I can add the fluids and turn the key, or at least I thought. I finished the gauges install today and they work great. But when I replaced my fan switch, because I had a bad fan switch, it did not cure the problem. Now I am out of ideas why my manual over ride switch for my flex-a-lite fan is not working. I need to call tech support now and see what they have to say. I know the switch is no good but I doubt highly I got two defective switches months a part from each other. Something in my set up has to be blowing them and I need to find out what. I don’t want to start up my new engine to I am sure I cool it off when it gets hot.

[steve]

Here is an update... I figured out what was happening with the manual override switch. Flex-a-lite had a miss print on the wiring diagram that they put on the back of the switch package. They mixed up the ground and the 12v lead. Once I figured that out everything works great. I have one little hurtle that I have to fix. I have a clearance problem with the radio bracket and the wires for the switch, so I am modifying the bracket to make it work.


My next step is to flush and drain all the old gas out of the tank and fill it with fresh gas. Than I will fill the fluids install the distributor and wires and fire it up. I am sooooo close I am smell the exhaust fumes.

[1983BOWTIEBEATER]

filling the tank might cost you more than all the mods combined:D

[steve]

filling the tank might cost you more than all the mods combined:D

Yeah I may have to put off starting the truck until next year. I may need to work all summer to save up enough money to fill the tank.

[Hicks84s10]

Yeah I may have to put off starting the truck until next year. I may need to work all summer to save up enough money to fill the tank.


Amen to that

[steve]

IT IS ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!! It needs tuning BAD, but it is running and driving. It is a little beast. I will go into more details tonight, because now I have to go to work.

[steve]

Bump.....

[HankHill]

Congrats!!! So when do we get a video?

[Ryan]

Congrats we need a vid...:)

[steve]

I have a short video on my phone but i don't know how to get it off and i don't have a legit video camera so i will have to find some one who can take a video for me.


On another note, i have some issues with it. It is running like crap. I think i need to have a chip burned for it so it will run right. Also my electric fan is back feeding my ignition so even when the key is out of the ignition as long as the fan override switch is on the truck stays on. It scared the crap out of me the first time i realized this issue.

But for what i have seen so far it is a little animal. I Can't wait till it is tuned in.

[steve]

Hey guys i have been doing a lot of thinking about my trucks tuning right now. I have the timing set to what makes the truck the happiest (about +12 degrees) and the truck is throwing no codes at all. The truck is falling on its face below 2 grand and stalling when i go from above 2 grand to idle quickly like when i put my foot on the clutch. Do you guys think it is all in the computer not being able to compensate for the larger engine and all the modifications I did to it? Do you think a custom tuned chip will fix my problem?

[Rob]

Hey guys i have been doing a lot of thinking about my trucks tuning right now. I have the timing set to what makes the truck the happiest (about +12 degrees) and the truck is throwing no codes at all. The truck is falling on its face below 2 grand and stalling when i go from above 2 grand to idle quickly like when i put my foot on the clutch. Do you guys think it is all in the computer not being able to compensate for the larger engine and all the modifications I did to it? Do you think a custom tuned chip will fix my problem?

Most likely. I believe your truck runs off of a MAP sensor (I think S-Trucks didn't get MAF until the CPI engine). It sounds like it's confused as hell. When it has some air flowing through it, it can compensate some, but as soon as you take the air flow away, it doesn't know what to do and dies.

Sounds like the engine is doing one thing, but the PCM thinks it's doing something else. A new chip should be the solution. A mail order will get it running better, but a custom one would be best for sure.

[steve]

Most likely. I believe your truck runs off of a MAP sensor (I think S-Trucks didn't get MAF until the CPI engine). It sounds like it's confused as hell. When it has some air flowing through it, it can compensate some, but as soon as you take the air flow away, it doesn't know what to do and dies.

Sounds like the engine is doing one thing, but the PCM thinks it's doing something else. A new chip should be the solution. A mail order will get it running better, but a custom one would be best for sure.


I found a site on line that will reprogram mine for 69$. They say it may take multiple programming attempts to get it right, which are free. I hesitate due to the cheep price, but than again for the fact that the difference in price is hundreds of dolars I may be willing to give them a shot.

[97v8s10]

Good to hear the truck up and running son.

[steve]

Thanks dad..

[steve]

The truck right now is a performance shop being dyno tuned and tested. They are even tuning it momentarily so they can make it pass emissions. The truck should run factory smooth when i get it back. I will post the dyno sheet once i get it

[s10xtremist]

This will be interesting...

[Hicks84s10]

This will be interesting...

Very.